*lol* Nice one. I liked your thoughts but actually I still think Slipknot IS metal. They rock like but I guess u don't know that because u've avoided to see them live. It's terrific, it's intense. Much heaviert and smartet than a lot of stuff called "metal". But actually WHO cares how u define the sound of a band. Either you like them or not, that's what counts.. right?
Medieval Girl
· 2 months ago
Fuck Ya! Who cares if some people think they suck. Music should ALWAYS be about what gets YOU fired up! Of course, if your more interested in being sheep, then by all means, go and join the rest of the fuckheads in this world who only listen to what others label as "cool music", or what's "In", or what's "good". It's listening to those bands that "Suck", that makes us individuals. I say, "Right On" to those who do what pleases them instead of giving a fuck what others say! By the way, I think Slipknot is awesome!
RealMetalHead
· 1 month ago
You do realize just by saying you're being an "Individual" you're listening to the exact same thing all those "Individuals" listen to? You all want to be rebels by not giving a fuck and not listening to anything anyone else listens to but you're doing exactly that. You need to realize that slipknot is what's "In" just because they're "Individual".
Aaron
· 1 year ago
1. Joey Jordison is one of the best drummers in the world. The custom percussionists are just for special sounds, like hitting metal cans and making deeper drum sounds, dumb ass. 2. They record albums without their masks. DUMB ASS. That's why Corey sounds different a bit at concerts. 3. They downtune for the sound they want. And last time I checked...Since when did you have to earn the right to play music? DUMB ASS. And listen to their solos Mr. I've earned the right to make music. 4. Cornfield Piglovers? DUMB ASS. Who says you have to be like where you come from. Steriotypical ASS HOLE. 5. Corey's face is fine. They wear the masks so people will concentrate more on their music and not their appearences. 6. More guitarists = Better originality and sound. DUMB ASS. 7. That was such a retarded comparison I have no comback. Please refer to # 5 8. Who the hell are you to tell people what is and is NOT music? Oh no, we can't listen to what WE want. Please tell us why YOUR opinion is better than everyone elses. 9. Again, DUMB ASS. Maybe people who like to have lots of cool lights and sound and people jumping into the crowds. OHH NOOOO. I forgot. You didn't say that was OK. 10. Let us all recall...that was the first Slipknot album consisting of the original members. When Corey came in, I believe the titles became a lot more understandable. Thank you for using all the bad things to make yourself look like a ... wait for it ... DUMB ASS. 11. Heavy = SLIPKNOT, Syncopated = SLIPKNOT, they cay cuz, comin' and such, Talented Guitars = SLIPKNOT MICK AND JIM ARE AWESOME, combined with aggressive tempos, intricate and intense drumming, and aggressive vocals that breach dark, but highly intelligent and usually deep, material = THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE FUCKING SLIPKNOT DUMB ASSSSSSS!!!
Medieval Girl
· 2 months ago
To Aaron: AWESOME, AWESOME reply!!! I could not agree more!!!
slipknotlvr1313
· 2 months ago
aaron; ur totally wrong about #11. their guitarists arent good at all, and it dosent take a guy that plays guitar to know that either. also, i speak for myself and others when i say that u arent funny at all by say DUMB ASS in almost every sentence. get a real sense of humor and stop trying to be funny
idrian
· 1 year ago
well, in the end most of the bands that you mentioned have one thing in common with slipknot: heavy.
Leroy
· 1 year ago
Ok mister Aaron, while you do raise a number of angry points, not valid but angry, you fail to contribute much. You didn't say much, and you wasted a whole lot of time on stupid comments that were obviously not meant to be taken to heart.
1. Yes, Joey Jordinson is good. But what about the two guys hitting those "metal cans" which are actually beer kegs, and who also play real drums as well. How can they be considered very good, or necessary when, as you put it, Joey Jordinson is so much better? 2. Mr Brady was actually referring to concerts, where they do wear the masks, and as you said it makes them sound different. Mr. Brady said it makes them sound bad. 3. You both raise valid points. Down tuning guitars doesn't make you metal at all (country players use baritone quite often), yet it is a desired sound. Lets call it a draw and move on. 4. This was a stupid point. 5. Wearing masks DOES NOT and I NEVER makes people concentrate on your music over your appearance. How can they concentrate on your music when you're wearing a mask, which obviously ALTERS YOUR APPEARANCE. 6. While this is sometimes true, its not a rule. Its probably more wrong than write. Single guitarists HAVE to be more talented because there's only one of them. And it definitely doesn't work in slipknots case. Usually the two guitarists play the same part, effectively using two people to do the work of one. They most likely did this for the same reason they have 3 drummers. It gives more sound though, that is true, but not much in skill or originality. 7. I agree with you here. 8. Here too (I don't see what rap has to do with slipknot. 9. This is a moot point and is more up to the budget and taste of the band than any actual meter of skill. 10. Ok, that is a good point. 11. Here its divided. True, Slipknot is heavy and I suppose syncopated (though I didn't realized that was a necessity in metal) but they lack in the talent department. They have some decent riffs, but the music is often repetitive and leaves little to be sought after in the melodic department (especially when it comes to bass, which is rarely heard). It's a fact that certain Slipknot songs can be played with one finger of the left hand.
person
· 1 year ago
Some bands put on a show when the music isn't their strong point, and some bands put on a show to go with the music, you can decide either way depending on your tastes. Consider Alice Cooper, Lordi, Rammstein, Iron Maiden, Kiss, Behemoth and so on. Anyway I mostly agree with Aaron, but it's a shame he felt the need to say dumbass repeatedly as it makes his argument seem less valid. Not to say I like Slipknot, I think perhaps they have 2 or 3 good songs... which isn't very impressive, but they are metal. Quality of music doesn't define genre, else there'd be many bands in the world who would have to be considered 'undefined'.
maggot
· 1 year ago
you are no one to decide who has or who has not earned the right to do this or that. Just because Joey does not always play what you might think a metal drummer needs to play like blast beats every bar, 32nd note double-bass every song, or riding the bell of the ride all the time, does not mean he is any less metal at all....his drumming style is a different approach to metal drumming....he adds more groove, which to me makes slipknot sound like they do. If you are going to talk about what a band does, you should research why the band does it first. They wear the mask, not to hide, but to show more of their personality to the crowd. Each mask reflects each members inner personality. the reason for two guitars is the same as the reason for the two additional drummers, to "fatten" out the sound give it more punch. Its not like the clown or chris help joey out by doing the fills,or doing the double bass patterns for him. All they do is play under the beat and add more punch to the 1,2,3,4. on occasion they play more over the beat much like a percussionist would with the higher tuned toms and beer kegs. To say that good drummers don't use percussionists is an ignorant statement. Not even the most talented drummers have 8 arms. They can't play a full kit and bongos and cowbells at the same time. So think of the sideways bass drums as the bongos, and the beer kegs as a cowbell, same thing. Try to be more open-minded and progressive in your thoughts as to what can be included a metal band and what can't. I think they are very talented and very unique in their sound and very thankful they don't sound like anyone else.
Medieval Girl
· 2 months ago
And, yet again, an AWESOME, AWESOME reply!!!
SLIPKNOT ROCKS!!!
Kyle Brady
· 1 year ago
haha all this is very amusing to me.
And why all the interest all of a sudden?
--Kyle
maggot
· 1 year ago
because they are coming out with a new album.....
Max T
· 1 year ago
dont get me wrong, I love REAL METAL, but who who in their right mind would wear gay ass masks and smear fake blood all over the stage like its cool or somthing. Slipknot fans are certainly a breed apart, they remind me of faggot ass tool fans who think they are sweet just because "they are understanding the deeper meaning" BULL SHIT. no deeper meaning exists. and seriously, i saw them live with a friend in Louisiana, and they are a fuckin joke on stage, their fans are all fuckin queer ass cunts that should be kicked in the face, you know those people who walk in the room and everyone is like "oh fuck, i got to go" well its those twats that get amped off this gay music. FUCK SLIPKNOT .... its not Halloween last time I checked . they are not artists, they are fucking clowns.
Drew Nutter
· 1 year ago
Your argument was very logical and open minded; we are all very happy for your intelligent contribution. Thank you so much.
Kyle Brady
· 1 year ago
Thanks Drew.
A true light in the darkness.
--Kyle
Max T
· 1 year ago
I just saw that someone who posted before me said slipknots lyrics were "deep and intelligent"........... I had to post again simply to fuckin laugh at that GENIOUS statement. BLAAH !!!!! IM WEARING A MASK, I GUESS IM SCARY AND INTELLECTUAL TOO !!!!! Maybe im wrong, maybe it’s different because it’s coming from one bunch of faggot tools (slipknot) to another (fans). I bet they rock those masks in the club, I totally would. and then i would punch my self in the cornea for being so cool.
Drew Nutter
· 1 year ago
Your statement about genious statements was just genius. Random unsupported insults are always a great way to drive a point home; and spelling words like "genius" wrong always adds to your credibility, especially when you are using them sarcastically to question an individual's intelligence.
Drew Nutter
· 1 year ago
None of what you said really gives any evidence that Slipknot is either not talented, intelligent, or cannot make good music; all you really said was that you don't like their way of doing things. Its possible to be ugly, have stupid masks, pointless album titles, and come from Iowa (why that has any significance is beyond me) and still be good musicians. Having 3 drummers doesn't mean that you are compensating for a lack of skill, it is just as possible that it is just a combination of three talented drummers that are just going for an equally musical but more dense sound. It allows them to unleash their full music writing potential as they are not forced to limit it to the abilities of one drummer--no matter how good of a drummer you are you have limits. Having a lead, rhythm, and bass guitar is pretty normal, as well as having one singer--your criticism "How many singers? How many guitarists? Uh huh? Really?" doesn't really mean anything; but again, it follows the same pattern as the drummers. Slipknot definitely fits with your definition of Metal, an they have especially mastered, in comparison to other metal bands, "aggressive tempos, intricate and intense drumming, and aggressive vocals." That quote should be used in the definition of Slipknot. It is evident that this angry rant is a result of closed mindedness in your inability to comprehend something different from what you have become accustomed to with your immediate response being that of an angry criticism of how things are different rather than an understanding of why. Things can be different from the norm either because of an attempt to compensate or because of originality and an attempt to go beyond the greatness they would still achieve if they were only typical. I think you would find that most intelligent people that approach Slipknot openly would agree on the latter of those two.
Kyle Brady
· 1 year ago
At least it's a logical and sensible argument, instead of the usual random obscenities and angry people.
I won't go tit-for-tat here, but all of what I said does point to not being talented... within the scope of Slipknot. It doesn't always apply, but it happens to here.
Having a "rhythm section" like they do could turn out pretty cool, but when you analyze the individuals involved, the only one that comes out with real talent is Corey Taylor.
Also, I'd love to know of a band that wears masks that actually has talent, or even demonstrates that talent... GWAR is obviously not an example of this, and neither is Slipknot. True, there are metal/"metal" bands that don't wear masks and suck horribly, but I've yet to find one that *doesn't* hide behind a facade, using that as their "gimmick" instead of playing interesting or talented or truly original music.
However, for all the world knows, maybe all of their musicians are secretly virtuosos, and the guitarists just choose to play different variations of the same chord progressions without any difficult rhythms, fingerings, or runs. And maybe the drummers are truly on a Purtnoy level, and we just can't tell because they're too busy playing stereotypical shockrock beats.
--Kyle
p.s. If you didn't get it, which you didn't, I feel like I should point it out: I wrote this list with a little bit of "tongue in cheek". I really don't like Slipknot at all, but you should also know that this is approaching the subject from a perspective similar to "John Petrucci = talented, Frank Novinec = not ... Mike Purtnoy = talented, Brad Roberts = not ... Rob Halford = talented, Ronnie James Dio = annoying but slightly talented ... etc."
Dilbert
· 1 year ago
Mate feed kill repeat wasn't corey taylor, and you just insulted machine head, slayer, lamb of god and all sorts of other bands with your downtuned open string chugging bullshit, the masks are in the vain of mr bungle, kiss etc. Iowa is their hometown fuckhead, and how have you earned your right to play downtuned?? what gives someone that right, you dick, this aaron guy has the right idea, good job man
Kyle Brady
· 1 year ago
Nowhere in there did I mention Machine Head or Lamb of God. If you learn to read, I say that downtuning does not make you sound good or be talented. But not that downtuning is necessarily bad in and of itself. It all depends on what you do with it.
Slayer has no talent. And no one will debate me on that point.
You earn that right by learning to play the goddamn guitar, and not just banging the same five drop-tuned chords all the time. It's often called "skills", "talent" or "chops". You might want to do some research on them.
Once again, thanks for playing. I enjoy your random vehemence and utter lack of intelligent arguments.
--Kyle
facebook-709620143
· 5 months ago
huh, that's cute. First we shall address the "more than one drummer" Joey is an amazing drummer. Easily top 10 in all of metal. Yeah the other drummers, clown, sid, craig, they aren't "drummers" they add layers to the music making it deeper than standard 2 guitars one bass one drummers and a singer. If you knew anything about slipknot you'd know that.
Slipknot does not focus on guitars. The focus on lyrics and drums.
Iowa is where they are from. The songs are their stories. Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat. was before Corey's day and before the band became what it really stands for. That's like saying "Metallica sucks because Kill 'Em All sucks" you can't hold an album in which a band didn't have is most crucial member as the criteria upon which they are judged.
"combined with aggressive tempos, intricate and intense drumming, and aggressive vocals that breach dark, but highly intelligent and usually deep, material." Aggressive tempos, check intricate and intense drumming, uh you ever heard disasterpiece? Aggressive vocals, dark, intelligent, deep. All the songs are deep, and it doesn't get more aggressive than "I wanna slit your throat and fuck the wound."
And about "earning the right" you don't really like earn different levels of tuning. you just kinda tune your guitar however you want...they do it to make the music heavier and deeper.
LITTLE Mouth slits? seeing as Corey is the singer his mas is the only one that matters and his mouth can open completely for screams with room to spare in his mask. The mouth hole is huge. Seeing as I've actually worn one, I speak from experience.
Just because Slipknot isn't your type of band doesn't mean you need to hate on them. I'm so sick of this "real metal" comment. Please define this. If you mean ATR/KSE/AILD/BMTH then the only difference is slipknot isn't guitar driven, and is vocally more aggressive. If you mean those awful Dying Fetus shit bands. I feel sorry for you. They don't wear masks and you can't understand them >.>
And one last thing "they wear masks haha its halloween haha" They wear masks to draw attention to their performance and music rather than themselves. And their lyrics are sooooo unintelligent. I mean megalomaniac was one of the first words I learned.
Yeah Nu metal is Dead. It's not like Disturbed and Slipknot released albums last year or anything.
Slipknot has 2 guitarists......Just like bands who have "earned the right" i.e. Metallica.
Kyle Brady
· 5 months ago
I'm only going to say two things in response:
1) Metal, by definition, is guitar driven. 2) Downtuning guitars is a way to hide a lack of talent for many people. It's not always the case, for example the Deftones downtune heavily - not to be "brutal" or "way heavy, man", but for the atmospheric effect it allows them to have. In the case of bands like Slipknot, Korn, Limp Bizkit, etc. it's to hide the lack of guitar talent in the band, which is obvious from song structures and guitar parts.
--Kyle
e1even
· 4 months ago
you said in the original post that "metal is not a dictionary definition" you have just contradicted yourself
Kyle Brady
· 4 months ago
Yep, sure.
Like I said, thanks for playing.
--Kyle
Medieval Girl
· 2 months ago
NICE!!! I LOVE IT!!! AND FUCK Max T!!!
facebook-709620143
· 5 months ago
Metal is, by definition, "heavy, syncopated, and talented guitars (influenced by other genres and styles like Classical or Middle Eastern) combined with aggressive tempos, intricate and intense drumming, and aggressive vocals that breach dark, but highly intelligent and usually deep, material." Which is completely slipknot. They definitely have songs that showcase the guitar talent, i.e. Psychosocial, and plenty of songs that are guitar driven, i.e. (sic), All Hope Is Gone, Opium of the People, The Nameless, and Before I Forget to name a few. Now, these songs aren't all the same pace as shit metal, i.e dying fetus, but that doesn't make them slow. They're all faster than Metallica. If you want to criticize a band for breaking the typical chug chug blast beat chug chug structure. That is you right. But because they, like Disturbed, broke the mold of typical metal, I think that makes them all the more talented to play music that fits them, not a genre. If anything, Slipknot breaks the "mainstream" mold that most popular bands have conformed to inside the genre itself.
As for down tuning, it is used SOLELY to make the impossible possible. You can't play certain riffs at all in standard tunings. ---5-- ---5-- 3----- etc. Take the riff in System of a Down's Toxicity, that is not possible (for most people) in standard tuning. Also, down tuning make the guitars deeper, adding that disturbed, w/e you wanna call it layer to the music. If metal is solely about the guitars, why have the singers/drums? Corey and Joey are the focus of that band. Every thing else is extra in most songs. If you tell me that the two of them aren't one of, if not the best in their role you sir, do not understand the purpose of metal.
I'll agree that their guitars aren't even close to the best. Not even top 100, but there are tons of bands who have awful members and are still considered amazing. Metallica, James is an awful singer, especially post ...And Justice For All. As Blood Runs Black's singer isn't the best in the world, but their drums and guitars are pretty close. My whole point is that a band isn't one instrument. It's the culmination of all the instruments as one. If Slipknot isn't qualified in that way, and doesn't fit the "syncopated guitars, which just in case you don't know is notes or tones in a rhythmic pattern i.e. short-long-short, heavy driving drums, and dark lyrics" I guess there isn't a band in the world that is "true" metal.
Kyle Brady
· 5 months ago
I'm sorry, I like Disturbed, but the moment you referenced them as revolutionary for breaking "the mold of typical metal", you lost any intelligent response I was going to give you.
--Kyle
Ben
· 4 months ago
Slipknot are one of the least talented mainstream (fwr: disgustingly average) thrash bands I've ever heard. They re-hash 20-year old riffs very, very badly, and occasionally whine some drivel about how hard their lives are between shouting like (to quote Chris Connelly - an original, and a vocalist I generally respect) "Fozzy Bear on crystal meth". Listen to the mediocrity that drips from every lame hook, hackneyed "solo" and incomprehensible grunt, and think on the fact that they canceled their Reading festival slot (thanks, boys) last year due to... a broken ankle..? WTF? I've known grown-ups play another hour's gig with a broken ankle... and not even notice 'til after-wards. It's no big deal. You can stand up and hold a mic for god's sake... or play in a wheel chair, like Kurt did. Worst of all - amazingly - it requires the combined "talents" of nine - NINE - of the fuckers to create their turgid shit. Aside from the dust-bin (trash-can) drumming. I thought that was OK, in a seen-it-before-but-it's-OK-to-see-it-again-this-ONCE kind of way. They could make a living busking like that if they could just keep time... I'd rate Atomic Kitten higher. (Clue: I don't like Atomic Kitten at all). Slipknot are the Peter Andre of Metal.
(In the white suit, holding Jordan's hand, and for once trying to look like something vaguely human instead of a freshly-trepanned meat-puppet, he STILL scares me far more than all nine of them, in their masks, sniffing dead crows in jars and performing their "heaviest" track).
Just my opinion, of course.
Peace.
Anonymous
· 4 months ago
maggots (moar liek f*ggots amirite?) are pitiful
DELTAFORCEADC2
· 4 months ago
O fuck u, who cares where they r from, ok they have 3 drummers cuz they fucking can, joey is an amazing drummer, and mabey they got their work ethic from Iowa cuz here in Iowa it isn't so fucking pretty all the god damn time. And they r fucking metal, they do have talented guitarists, and corey stays with slipknot cuz he love making great music and has a great friendship with the rest of the band, 9 members for 10 years, ya most 4 pep bands don't last tht long
Medieval Girl
· 2 months ago
Fuking A!!!
DELTAFORCEADC2
· 4 months ago
Fuck tht max t fag. He just think they wear masks cuz they look cool no. They do cuz they want to. And they down tune their guitars cuz thts the kind of music they like to play, and if slipknot is supposubly not metal then wtf r they. O ya. METAL
ironsabbath
· 3 months ago
I agree. But unfortunately, I used to like them :P
I have no clue why, but when I was young, I liked pissed off, yelling music. Then when I grew up, I only listened to some of Slipknot's more melodic stuff (which there is not a lot of), so I completely lost interest in them.
The masks are really a stupid idea, and I don't like them. I absolutely HATE their guitar tone. It is too distorted, and downtuned. Don't get me wrong, I like some downtuning, because some Black Sabbath albums are all downtuned (Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Master of Reality). But Slipknot takes it too far, and it is true that it's good to hide talent and mask mistakes. Their image is all about pain, agnst, and sorrow. Why listen to music to make you feel sad or pissed off? I also think Slipknot's fanbase is a turn off. Their fans call themselves 'maggots' and are really loyal. That sounds good, but it's too bad that they're idiots and are usually losers that are always depressed.
I like to listen to real metal (Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath) because they have VERY talented guitarists and drummers, great singers, and good lyrics.
Slipknot has poor guitarists, and okay drummer(s). The singer sounds horrible when singing (screaming), rapping, or whimpering. The lyrics are about sad, stupid crap.
My advice to anyone who likes Slipknot: If you like them, go ahead. Just don't like them because people you know do. Be a leader, not a follower. Maybe you can start a trend of Classic Rock or Old School Heavy Metal.
Sorry for the long comment, but they're what I do best :P
Medieval Girl
· 2 months ago
Like I always say, "Fuck everyone else and just listen to what you want to listen to!" If you like Slipknot then screw the A Holes that don't! If Slipknot is not for you then don't listen! And that A Hole Max T can go fuck himself! It's usually the closet faggots that go around calling everyone else faggots!!!
Ricardo F.S. [Portugal]
· 2 months ago
i couldn't agree more! medieval girl and of course, drew =)
slipknot is a great band and its not because they different they not great.
there's always a different band/singer/music etc, out there and the people can blame other one to like different kind of things so, no one's have the moral to judge whatever you want without knowing it or just because you dont like it...
so please if you dont like slipknot or other band just shutTFup and save your options to yourselves!
if you have something to say just dont piss-off other people. and thats the real truth of music =) .
you know what that point means dont you? this one-> . (ps.: like i say =P, then dont blame my comment if it asn't a good english)
so it's final.
\../. .\../
Ricardo F.S. [Portugal]
· 2 months ago
i sayd can sorry , i ment Cant!!!!
=P
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Ricardo F.S. [Portugal]
· 2 months ago
and its not options its opinions =P sorry again im all fkd up with english =P.
Brayden Ballenger
· 2 months ago
Haha Medeival Girl said "A HOLE!" LMFAO!!!!! ....yeah slipknot sucks.
Jak
· 2 months ago
Haha Medeival Girl said "A HOLE!" LMFAO!!!!! ....yeah slipknot sucks.
HAITHAR
· 2 months ago
maggors are retarded. Slipknot sounds like shit. Corey does look like he has down syndrome
oh and
Dimmu Borgir is hilarious.
DAG
· 2 months ago
I have never been a fan of Slipknot. I had always thought their music was just obnoxious screaming, no good lyrics or guitar playing, the masks they wear are ridiculous and gimmicky, and the fact they have 9 people on stage, with 4 of them being just a waste of space. However, I have to say that their most recent album is actually not that bad. It has some credible songs that show *some* maturity, talent, and diversity.
Anyway, I was dragged, somewhat reluctantly at first, to a recent concert of Slipknot. As the show got closer, I got a bit more interested to go, as I liked the band touring with them and I just wanted to see what it would be like to see this spectacle just once in my life. I have to say I was actually entertained. Again, there are like 4 or 5 real musicians up there with the rest just being a bunch of filler, or more like clown performers dancing around up there, but even those extra filler “musicians” on stage added some value in a strange way to the show and helped to amp things up a bit and get the audience more involved.
I agree with much of what you say, the music they have put out for most of their existence has been pretty much a barrage of noise with no relevance to anything or anyone. But, after giving them a chance and seeing their show, I can see some traces of talent mixed into the chaos, but yes, I will probably never buy any of their music or ever see them again, but it was worth going to see them once in my life and I actually felt more entertained than thought I would be at the end of the day.
Nate
· 2 months ago
I love metal. Its my bread and butter, for sure. But one thing about metal that I find to be such a shame and so frustrating at the same time.... in no other genre of music do you find the fans of the GENRE (not specific bands) so often arguing over so many petty things having to do with what essentially comes down to opinions. If you dont like Slipknot, more power to you. But you can't say with authority, as fact, that Slipknot "sucks" or that they "arent talented", "arent good" or whatever variation of it people say. All that stuff comes down to personal definition. Whats good to one person is abhorrent to another, and neither is more right than the other. Guys, we as fans of "heavy music" (since what defines metal is so hotly contested..... and again, what should be simply a matter of opinion) dont need to be at each other's throats over petty, pointless, unwinnable arguments. We, as fans of heavy music, are totally hated by most other music genres and fans, especially hippies and many indie kids and ESPECIALLY pop fans (obviously not true across the board.... hopefully at least one person understands what im saying and how im saying it.... with a tiny bit of tongue in cheek). Can't we just stay united under one thing we SHOULD all have in common.... that we hate hippies, "bubblegum" pop, preppy frat boy douchebags, and sorority girl airhead superficial whores! Lets use this energy to take them down and own them on THEIR blogs and message boards! Remember.... its "music" to SOMEONE, and its enjoyed by SOMEONE. We are no more right than them, and vice versa. Enjoy what you enjoy, and try to live life NOT as a dickhead as much as you can.
END THE METAL CIVIL WAR!!!!!!
Deven
· 1 month ago
I agree 100% with you. They are just a bunch of pissed of rednecks that cant play their instruments. SLAYER is REAL metal. ALL HAIL SLAYER \m/. And NO ONE better say anything bad about Slayer. They are the definition of Thrash Metal.
grg
· 2 weeks ago
none of these arguments even make sense, you use the argument "other people earn the right to do this" in like half your points.
KJ
· 1 week ago
Back in 1994, Bathory released 'Requiem' - an overlooked release by many but relavent for the issue of bands downtuning to sound 'heavy', while masking the fact they have little to no talent at all on their instruments. By simply increasing the bass guitar in the mix, Quorthon (RIP) was able to showcase a 'downtuned' sound without even altering the traditional tuning of the guitar and allowing for the 'talent' to be heard clearly through all the instruments. Whether one is a fan of Bathory or not, this release shows what can be done by actual musicians who may be interested in the 'low end' sound without playing games with downtuning - not that downtuning is bad in and of itself.
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2. They record albums without their masks. DUMB ASS. That's why Corey sounds different a bit at concerts.
3. They downtune for the sound they want. And last time I checked...Since when did you have to earn the right to play music? DUMB ASS. And listen to their solos Mr. I've earned the right to make music.
4. Cornfield Piglovers? DUMB ASS. Who says you have to be like where you come from. Steriotypical ASS HOLE.
5. Corey's face is fine. They wear the masks so people will concentrate more on their music and not their appearences.
6. More guitarists = Better originality and sound. DUMB ASS.
7. That was such a retarded comparison I have no comback. Please refer to # 5
8. Who the hell are you to tell people what is and is NOT music? Oh no, we can't listen to what WE want. Please tell us why YOUR opinion is better than everyone elses.
9. Again, DUMB ASS. Maybe people who like to have lots of cool lights and sound and people jumping into the crowds. OHH NOOOO. I forgot. You didn't say that was OK.
10. Let us all recall...that was the first Slipknot album consisting of the original members. When Corey came in, I believe the titles became a lot more understandable. Thank you for using all the bad things to make yourself look like a ... wait for it ... DUMB ASS.
11. Heavy = SLIPKNOT, Syncopated = SLIPKNOT, they cay cuz, comin' and such, Talented Guitars = SLIPKNOT MICK AND JIM ARE AWESOME, combined with aggressive tempos, intricate and intense drumming, and aggressive vocals that breach dark, but highly intelligent and usually deep, material = THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE FUCKING SLIPKNOT DUMB ASSSSSSS!!!
AWESOME, AWESOME reply!!! I could not agree more!!!
1. Yes, Joey Jordinson is good. But what about the two guys hitting those "metal cans" which are actually beer kegs, and who also play real drums as well. How can they be considered very good, or necessary when, as you put it, Joey Jordinson is so much better?
2. Mr Brady was actually referring to concerts, where they do wear the masks, and as you said it makes them sound different. Mr. Brady said it makes them sound bad.
3. You both raise valid points. Down tuning guitars doesn't make you metal at all (country players use baritone quite often), yet it is a desired sound. Lets call it a draw and move on.
4. This was a stupid point.
5. Wearing masks DOES NOT and I NEVER makes people concentrate on your music over your appearance. How can they concentrate on your music when you're wearing a mask, which obviously ALTERS YOUR APPEARANCE.
6. While this is sometimes true, its not a rule. Its probably more wrong than write. Single guitarists HAVE to be more talented because there's only one of them. And it definitely doesn't work in slipknots case. Usually the two guitarists play the same part, effectively using two people to do the work of one. They most likely did this for the same reason they have 3 drummers. It gives more sound though, that is true, but not much in skill or originality.
7. I agree with you here.
8. Here too (I don't see what rap has to do with slipknot.
9. This is a moot point and is more up to the budget and taste of the band than any actual meter of skill.
10. Ok, that is a good point.
11. Here its divided. True, Slipknot is heavy and I suppose syncopated (though I didn't realized that was a necessity in metal) but they lack in the talent department. They have some decent riffs, but the music is often repetitive and leaves little to be sought after in the melodic department (especially when it comes to bass, which is rarely heard). It's a fact that certain Slipknot songs can be played with one finger of the left hand.
Anyway I mostly agree with Aaron, but it's a shame he felt the need to say dumbass repeatedly as it makes his argument seem less valid. Not to say I like Slipknot, I think perhaps they have 2 or 3 good songs... which isn't very impressive, but they are metal. Quality of music doesn't define genre, else there'd be many bands in the world who would have to be considered 'undefined'.
SLIPKNOT ROCKS!!!
And why all the interest all of a sudden?
--Kyle
A true light in the darkness.
--Kyle
I won't go tit-for-tat here, but all of what I said does point to not being talented... within the scope of Slipknot. It doesn't always apply, but it happens to here.
Having a "rhythm section" like they do could turn out pretty cool, but when you analyze the individuals involved, the only one that comes out with real talent is Corey Taylor.
Also, I'd love to know of a band that wears masks that actually has talent, or even demonstrates that talent... GWAR is obviously not an example of this, and neither is Slipknot. True, there are metal/"metal" bands that don't wear masks and suck horribly, but I've yet to find one that *doesn't* hide behind a facade, using that as their "gimmick" instead of playing interesting or talented or truly original music.
However, for all the world knows, maybe all of their musicians are secretly virtuosos, and the guitarists just choose to play different variations of the same chord progressions without any difficult rhythms, fingerings, or runs. And maybe the drummers are truly on a Purtnoy level, and we just can't tell because they're too busy playing stereotypical shockrock beats.
--Kyle
p.s. If you didn't get it, which you didn't, I feel like I should point it out: I wrote this list with a little bit of "tongue in cheek". I really don't like Slipknot at all, but you should also know that this is approaching the subject from a perspective similar to "John Petrucci = talented, Frank Novinec = not ... Mike Purtnoy = talented, Brad Roberts = not ... Rob Halford = talented, Ronnie James Dio = annoying but slightly talented ... etc."
Slayer has no talent. And no one will debate me on that point.
You earn that right by learning to play the goddamn guitar, and not just banging the same five drop-tuned chords all the time. It's often called "skills", "talent" or "chops". You might want to do some research on them.
Once again, thanks for playing. I enjoy your random vehemence and utter lack of intelligent arguments.
--Kyle
Slipknot does not focus on guitars. The focus on lyrics and drums.
Iowa is where they are from. The songs are their stories. Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat. was before Corey's day and before the band became what it really stands for. That's like saying "Metallica sucks because Kill 'Em All sucks" you can't hold an album in which a band didn't have is most crucial member as the criteria upon which they are judged.
"combined with aggressive tempos, intricate and intense drumming, and aggressive vocals that breach dark, but highly intelligent and usually deep, material." Aggressive tempos, check
intricate and intense drumming, uh you ever heard disasterpiece? Aggressive vocals, dark, intelligent, deep. All the songs are deep, and it doesn't get more aggressive than "I wanna slit your throat and fuck the wound."
And about "earning the right" you don't really like earn different levels of tuning. you just kinda tune your guitar however you want...they do it to make the music heavier and deeper.
LITTLE Mouth slits? seeing as Corey is the singer his mas is the only one that matters and his mouth can open completely for screams with room to spare in his mask. The mouth hole is huge. Seeing as I've actually worn one, I speak from experience.
Just because Slipknot isn't your type of band doesn't mean you need to hate on them. I'm so sick of this "real metal" comment. Please define this. If you mean ATR/KSE/AILD/BMTH then the only difference is slipknot isn't guitar driven, and is vocally more aggressive. If you mean those awful Dying Fetus shit bands. I feel sorry for you. They don't wear masks and you can't understand them >.>
And one last thing "they wear masks haha its halloween haha" They wear masks to draw attention to their performance and music rather than themselves. And their lyrics are sooooo unintelligent. I mean megalomaniac was one of the first words I learned.
Yeah Nu metal is Dead. It's not like Disturbed and Slipknot released albums last year or anything.
Slipknot has 2 guitarists......Just like bands who have "earned the right" i.e. Metallica.
1) Metal, by definition, is guitar driven.
2) Downtuning guitars is a way to hide a lack of talent for many people. It's not always the case, for example the Deftones downtune heavily - not to be "brutal" or "way heavy, man", but for the atmospheric effect it allows them to have. In the case of bands like Slipknot, Korn, Limp Bizkit, etc. it's to hide the lack of guitar talent in the band, which is obvious from song structures and guitar parts.
--Kyle
you have just contradicted yourself
Like I said, thanks for playing.
--Kyle
As for down tuning, it is used SOLELY to make the impossible possible. You can't play certain riffs at all in standard tunings.
---5--
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3-----
etc. Take the riff in System of a Down's Toxicity, that is not possible (for most people) in standard tuning. Also, down tuning make the guitars deeper, adding that disturbed, w/e you wanna call it layer to the music. If metal is solely about the guitars, why have the singers/drums? Corey and Joey are the focus of that band. Every thing else is extra in most songs. If you tell me that the two of them aren't one of, if not the best in their role you sir, do not understand the purpose of metal.
I'll agree that their guitars aren't even close to the best. Not even top 100, but there are tons of bands who have awful members and are still considered amazing. Metallica, James is an awful singer, especially post ...And Justice For All. As Blood Runs Black's singer isn't the best in the world, but their drums and guitars are pretty close. My whole point is that a band isn't one instrument. It's the culmination of all the instruments as one. If Slipknot isn't qualified in that way, and doesn't fit the "syncopated guitars, which just in case you don't know is notes or tones in a rhythmic pattern i.e. short-long-short, heavy driving drums, and dark lyrics" I guess there isn't a band in the world that is "true" metal.
--Kyle
Listen to the mediocrity that drips from every lame hook, hackneyed "solo" and incomprehensible grunt, and think on the fact that they canceled their Reading festival slot (thanks, boys) last year due to... a broken ankle..? WTF? I've known grown-ups play another hour's gig with a broken ankle... and not even notice 'til after-wards. It's no big deal. You can stand up and hold a mic for god's sake... or play in a wheel chair, like Kurt did.
Worst of all - amazingly - it requires the combined "talents" of nine - NINE - of the fuckers to create their turgid shit. Aside from the dust-bin (trash-can) drumming. I thought that was OK, in a seen-it-before-but-it's-OK-to-see-it-again-this-ONCE kind of way. They could make a living busking like that if they could just keep time...
I'd rate Atomic Kitten higher. (Clue: I don't like Atomic Kitten at all). Slipknot are the Peter Andre of Metal.
http://bl0g.wa-junge.de/wp-content/_peter_andre...
(In the white suit, holding Jordan's hand, and for once trying to look like something vaguely human instead of a freshly-trepanned meat-puppet, he STILL scares me far more than all nine of them, in their masks, sniffing dead crows in jars and performing their "heaviest" track).
Just my opinion, of course.
Peace.
I have no clue why, but when I was young, I liked pissed off, yelling music. Then when I grew up, I only listened to some of Slipknot's more melodic stuff (which there is not a lot of), so I completely lost interest in them.
The masks are really a stupid idea, and I don't like them. I absolutely HATE their guitar tone. It is too distorted, and downtuned. Don't get me wrong, I like some downtuning, because some Black Sabbath albums are all downtuned (Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Master of Reality). But Slipknot takes it too far, and it is true that it's good to hide talent and mask mistakes. Their image is all about pain, agnst, and sorrow. Why listen to music to make you feel sad or pissed off? I also think Slipknot's fanbase is a turn off. Their fans call themselves 'maggots' and are really loyal. That sounds good, but it's too bad that they're idiots and are usually losers that are always depressed.
I like to listen to real metal (Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath) because they have VERY talented guitarists and drummers, great singers, and good lyrics.
Slipknot has poor guitarists, and okay drummer(s). The singer sounds horrible when singing (screaming), rapping, or whimpering. The lyrics are about sad, stupid crap.
My advice to anyone who likes Slipknot: If you like them, go ahead. Just don't like them because people you know do. Be a leader, not a follower. Maybe you can start a trend of Classic Rock or Old School Heavy Metal.
Sorry for the long comment, but they're what I do best :P
slipknot is a great band and its not because they different they not great.
there's always a different band/singer/music etc, out there and the people can blame other one to like different kind of things so, no one's have the moral to judge whatever you want without knowing it or just because you dont like it...
so please if you dont like slipknot or other band just shutTFup and save your options to yourselves!
if you have something to say just dont piss-off other people.
and thats the real truth of music =) .
you know what that point means dont you? this one-> .
(ps.: like i say =P, then dont blame my comment if it asn't a good english)
so it's final.
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Medeival Girl said "A HOLE!"
LMFAO!!!!!
....yeah slipknot sucks.
Medeival Girl said "A HOLE!"
LMFAO!!!!!
....yeah slipknot sucks.
Slipknot sounds like shit.
Corey does look like he has down syndrome
oh and
Dimmu Borgir is hilarious.
Anyway, I was dragged, somewhat reluctantly at first, to a recent concert of Slipknot. As the show got closer, I got a bit more interested to go, as I liked the band touring with them and I just wanted to see what it would be like to see this spectacle just once in my life. I have to say I was actually entertained. Again, there are like 4 or 5 real musicians up there with the rest just being a bunch of filler, or more like clown performers dancing around up there, but even those extra filler “musicians” on stage added some value in a strange way to the show and helped to amp things up a bit and get the audience more involved.
I agree with much of what you say, the music they have put out for most of their existence has been pretty much a barrage of noise with no relevance to anything or anyone. But, after giving them a chance and seeing their show, I can see some traces of talent mixed into the chaos, but yes, I will probably never buy any of their music or ever see them again, but it was worth going to see them once in my life and I actually felt more entertained than thought I would be at the end of the day.
END THE METAL CIVIL WAR!!!!!!